Feb. 13, 2025

Discover the Secret to Intuitive Business Growth with Marnie LeFevre

In this episode, I’m joined by my former business coach, Marnie LeFevre, Founder and CEO of Fempire. Together, we explore how intuition can transform your business and personal growth.

Over the four years Marnie coached me, she helped me trust my inner guidance to make aligned business decisions. In this conversation, we share:

How entrepreneurs can use intuition to navigate challenges
Personal stories of intuitive successes and setbacks
Practical exercises to strengthen your intuitive wisdom

Plus, stick around for a live channeling session with my guide, Anya, offering insights and guidance for your spiritual and business journey.

Check out Fempire’s coaching programs at: www.fempire.com.au

Episode Breakdown:
00:00 – Introduction & Guest Announcement
01:21 – The Importance of Intuition in Business
05:07 – Intuition vs. Fear in Decision Making
10:34 – Personal Stories of Intuition in Action
16:18 – Balancing Intuition & Logic in Business
24:11 – Practical Exercises for Tapping Into Intuition
38:32 – Messages from Anya
45:37 – Final Thoughts & Upcoming Events

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Welcome back to Connecting to Spirit.

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I'm your host, Lisa Brandis, and today I have a very special guest for you.

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I'm sitting down with someone who has been a huge part of my personal and business journey, my former business coach, Marnie Lefevre.

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We worked together for about four years.

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And during that time, I experienced incredible growth, but also some tough lessons, which comes with owning a business.

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Through it all, I learned so much, but one of the main things is to trust my intuition in business.

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And today we're going to dive into how you can do the same.

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If you've ever wondered how to make aligned decisions, how to listen to your inner guidance and Bring more spiritual wisdom to your work.

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This episode is for you and stay tuned until the end because we're going to be doing something very special.

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I'll be bringing through a live channeling from Anya to share some guidance about what we speak about today.

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So let's dive in.

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Marnie, welcome to the podcast.

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It so special to have you here today,

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It's an absolute, absolute gift.

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Well, let's get started with this.

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You've worked with so many business owners, including me, and you really emphasize the role of intuition in business.

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Why do you think intuition is such an important skill for entrepreneurs?

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That's a great question.

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I think we just need to recognize that it's 11, 11 a.

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m.

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right now.

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Oh, that's so cool.

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It is too.

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So we should stop and thank the angels and what do you do as a process for that?

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I just notice, I just notice that I'm always surrounded by guides and intuition and all the just those really rich things that I think give you another level to your life, to business, to Feeling confident that all the decisions you make and all the, all the things that happen to you and for you, aren't just on you, I guess would be my little piece of wisdom there.

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But, the question you asked is maybe repeat the question.

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Question was, you got distracted by the 1111.

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For me, I always just use it as a time to just stop and get into the present moment.

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Because sometimes I think we're so much up in the illogical brain.

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So I love it just to get into the heart and get connected again.

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So I think it's important to sometimes to stop and breathe, which we can do right now and get connected.

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And also, also to notice what you're doing right then to see if it is that A little bit of a sign saying, yeah, this is what you should be doing, or you need to stop for a moment.

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Or watch the thoughts you're thinking.

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Pay attention, yeah.

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Definitely.

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So the question that I asked is, why do you think intuition is such an important skill for entrepreneurs?

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Okay, so, Interestingly, when you first started coaching with Middle Ace, you, you were right into intuition, right?

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Of course, that was your business.

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But, you know, we come into business and we say, well, no, that needs to be parked because business is all about productivity, accountability, uh, create, create, create.

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The thing that makes business.

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And makes business fun and ensures that you're probably more successful is that intuitive piece.

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Why would you even start a business?

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you might start a business based on an idea.

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That's an intuitive impulse, that idea, right?

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And so I think intuition always needs to come first, that intuitive impulse.

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Then you bring through the planning, the scheduling, the productivity, all the things that you need to make that intuitive impulse happen.

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But also during business, I think, When something doesn't feel right and you would have had this a lot of, I know you've had this a lot of times, when it doesn't feel right, it, it's not right.

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And there's a reason.

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Yeah.

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And quite often the logical mind gets in the way, especially if there's a decision that perhaps you're afraid of.

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So I know for me, a lot of working with you was having that courage to, to you know, to step out.

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I know when I first started speaking on stage, it was, the intuition was guiding me.

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There was that nudge from spirit kind of, but the, the lack of confidence was there.

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So sometimes structure, yeah, there was structure.

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That's not on the intuitive side.

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That's more on the, okay, once you've had that guidance from spirit, that intuitive impulse, that, that feeling, that deep gut feeling, whatever you want to call it, then you need the structure and you need the knowledge.

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And all the things behind that to then, you know, take action on your impulse.

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Yeah, yeah, very true.

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If your intuition is telling you to take action, of course, if it's telling you not to take action, then that's the same thing too.

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Okay.

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Is, is a lot of people say, yeah, but you know, I've had intuition and it's taken me down the wrong path.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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We've been there.

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Or we blame intuition when in fact it was just a lesson, I think, where brainwashed into believing that all intuitive, actions or intuition is supposed to be positive, but I think.

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We, a lot of it too, is yes, you're supposed to trust your intuition, absolutely, but we don't see the bigger picture.

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So we take this, so I might have in the past, I've taken intuitive, I've seen a business and a business idea, and I've had that intuitive impulse and the people that have needed to show up, start showing up and I go, okay, this is meant to be, and it is meant to be, and it might not work out the way I thought it would work out in the end, or the way I imagined it to, or would have liked it to, or planned it to, um, but I got a lot of lessons and I, and I don't, don't see those lessons until maybe one or two years down the track.

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And it's like, oh, okay, well, I'm so glad I have this knowledge that I got through that smaller fail or that kind of fail, or that, nothing's a fail, that journey, because now I get why.

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I needed to know that.

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I needed to do that.

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The change.

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I know a lot of the work that we did together.

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Um, and You know, from on a personal level as well was also about, uh, doing the work, you know, on releasing those sabotaging patterns and programs.

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Um, how does intuition do you think factor in making that journey easier from your perspective?

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Doing the work?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Just releasing the blocks, the sub, you know, the subconscious blocks that keep us small perhaps if we're speaking on stage.

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So how do you use intuition to make that journey easier?

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Well, I think first you have to get really comfortable with understanding what an intuitive message is and what a, actual fear is.

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So it, you know, it could be intuition.

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It could be, Just limiting the length of something that's trying to protect you, keep you safe, how do we get around it?

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We do things like your business offers, which is we connect in, learn how to connect and get a deeper, trust in, Intuitive messages, trust in quieting the mind, trust in, and a great way to do that, to be honest, for me, in the past was Reiki, you know, getting into that quiet space through energy, running energy, other people do it through meditation, or whatever your practice is going for a walk and just trying to clear your mind of thoughts and that intuitive impulse will be that first impulse.

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It is, isn't it?

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And then quite often it's the mind that comes in after, that second guesses that initial impulse to do something is usually the one that drops in from spirit or drops in from that broader perspective.

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I had an experience yesterday with, in a hypnosis session I was in and she said to me, imagine what it would look like if you were doing what you love without the money involved.

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Back to that passion piece, you know, you're just doing what you love.

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And I instantly had a vision of channeling and a big audience in front and it felt right for like 30 seconds.

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Then straight away it's like my mind came in, this critter brain came in.

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I was deep in hypnosis and I literally like have different parts of my body cross over where I don't know left from right and I get this really deep go in deep and then I literally saw like all these like data like just filtering down through my inner vision and then I came right out of hypnosis and said oh my god it was the weirdest thing, it was almost like I was energetically cancelling out the thing I was wanting seconds after and seeing it drop in from spirit going, well, you can totally have this.

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Your logical mind.

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Oh my God.

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And it was so interesting.

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And I could feel, you know, it's like that passion about how often do we cancel out the passion through fear or wanting to stay small?

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Yeah.

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Well, okay.

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Like you said, the critter mind or the reptilian brains there, it's only job is to protect you and ensure you survive.

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And so if it's something that's completely out of your comfort zone, of course, intuition is Come out here and play outside of this comfort zone and you're like, what your reptilian brain is going to go.

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I don't think so.

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Here's all the things that could happen to you.

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Yeah.

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And we want to stay safe.

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And especially as women.

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Public speaking is tough.

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Especially as women.

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Yeah.

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We are conditioned deeply.

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I mean, I don't have business like Fempire.

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So I see it all the time.

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So we, are conditioned to.

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stay safe.

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It's a deep thing.

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It's like, you know, putting the keys between your fingers when you walk through a car park.

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And I do share with my beautiful male friends that this is just something we, it's just always on our minds when we walk to the car, whereas it's not on their mind.

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you know, we're wired to keep ourselves safe.

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We all are men and women, but I think for women it's greater.

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I believe, and through all the studies that I've done, women's intuition helps to keep you safe.

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Oh, absolutely.

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If you lean into it, it does actually help to keep you safe as well as, um, it's when we get outside of our comfort zones that We bring in all that protection, I think, as well.

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So that's sort of a slightly left of field from intuitive impulse, but yeah.

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We should probably get back to that in business though, right?

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Yeah.

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What's your next question?

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So, um, have you got a story where, you know, you can reflect with the listeners, a time when you either trusted your intuition and it worked out really well for you, or were you Went against that intuitive knowing and paid the price of, you know, perhaps, yeah, not listening and not taking action.

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Because I think it's one thing to get an intuitive insight.

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It's one thing to know something, even if we don't logically understand why.

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And quite often that's what intuition is it's, non rational at times and just an energetic or a feeling or something doesn't feel right, but I can't understand why.

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So yeah, curious if you can, Remember a time when it either served you or didn't?

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I've been working with intuition for a really long time, so I would say it's, it's always served me, even when perhaps the results haven't been what I had wanted, but probably even just using it more to your advantage.

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So I've learned over the years that using intuition to your advantage is a really good thing.

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So I remember I was constantly, this is to do with you so it's relevant, constantly.

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Doesn't have to be a story that includes me.

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No, well this is the one that's popped into my head.

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Okay.

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I was constantly being, harassed by spirit or intuition or whatever you want to call it, to study Reiki.

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You know this story, right?

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To study Reiki.

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And I was like, Oh, and I was so busy, we were touring Australia, we're doing speaking gigs to entrepreneurs for, you know, 200, 500 people, whatever, women actually.

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And I just, I had no time.

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I was just like, my big response was I have, I don't have time for this.

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I don't have time for this.

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And it just kept popping in, popping in, popping in.

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And I was like, Oh, this is where, so initially, of course, resisting intuition, I'm too busy, I'm too overwhelmed, I've got too much to do already.

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And then eventually, I just remember throwing my hands up, the proverbial hands up in the air and just going, All right, if you want me to study Reiki, then send me the Reiki master because I am not looking.

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I'm not going to Google search one.

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I am not looking for one.

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And I think it was that day that my client.

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She was like, I've just done a Reiki course with this great Ma.

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And I was just like, Oh, You said, Thank you Universe for making it so easy.

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I went, Mother, Mother of.

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Fine.

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Now I've gotta learn reiki.

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Now we went fine.

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And then I think, did I email you or No, I came to Secrets in the Garden.

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Oh, see where you were speaking?

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I still didn't, literally, the universe delivered me right in front of her.

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Oh yeah.

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And then I said, oh, I loved your talk.

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And then you're like, ah.

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And I introduced you.

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Anyway, and then, well, I did say, I did say, listen, I'm not acting unless you literally deliver her to, or him or whoever to me.

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I sit in front row, literally another great.

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a business related one.

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So that was to do with, I guess, personal growth.

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But then I brought that Reiki and the energy healing into accelerating my intuition and all the things.

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And then we brought it into business more and that was really great.

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So it did work.

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And Lisa ended up being a client for four years.

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So there you go.

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So we were interviewing for.

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Events managers for a business assistant in the business.

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And, we had all these girls in there and my husband was in there interviewing as well.

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And these, a couple of girls came through and Grace was fabulous on paper.

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She'd done what we were doing with tours and stuff before she was experienced.

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She had a great resume.

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She was bubbly, lovely girl.

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So, and then there was another girl, Emily.

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And we interviewed Emily, we interviewed Grace, we, we interviewed some other girls and I knew they weren't the right one.

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And I remember leaving that meeting and saying to my husband, it's Emily, Emily's who we need to hire.

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And he went, Grace is better.

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This is the masculine versus the feminine, right?

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Grace has more experience.

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Grace, you know, I think Grace is the one.

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I said, but I just didn't, I feel intuitively that it's, It's Emily.

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Anyway, what I do, I listen to the logic.

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I listen to logic.

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You know, I can't blame him, but I listened to it because I was the one that listened.

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And probably, lost my confidence a little, whatever, because I didn't have that second.

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Grace started and she pretty much cried the entire week she worked for us because she knew intuitively this wasn't the best move for her.

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Nothing to do with the business.

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We'd bought her tickets.

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We'd invested in all that.

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We were training her.

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But she was in tears all the time.

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And then I ended up taking that week to coach her through a powerful decision for her.

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And so she decided to leave.

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And then I rang the recruiter back and I said, listen, we're going to start this.

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She goes, well, listen, Emily seemed really keen.

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Did you want to just see if she's still available?

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And I was like, yeah, that'd be great.

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Anyway, Emily, we ended up hiring Emily and she was a superstar.

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She was no experience.

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But she was an absolute rock star and we, Very passionate.

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And just a great addition to the team.

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So, it's not always, that's where intuition in business can be really powerful.

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Really powerful.

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So, you know, really listen to that.

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gut feeling or whatever you want to call it.

00:18:09.061 --> 00:18:09.392
It's funny.

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Intuition is very feminine word and men use gut.

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Your gut feeling, whatever it is.

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Your gut is, we have, we have neurons in our gut.

00:18:19.451 --> 00:18:25.001
It does talk to us and that's where you'll get a lot of your really great wisdom.

00:18:25.011 --> 00:18:26.842
So yeah, there's a business.

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Perfect.

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I love it.

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It's good to be able to relate to, you know, from both sides, I think for me, it was the understanding that even though I was a spiritual teacher and had the practice and the therapy all done, I wasn't a business woman.

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And I think the biggest connection between you and I was that there was a synergy and it's hard to pinpoint.

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I think someone said to me you always did the bigger picture vision.

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And then would help me to structure.

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So there was a lot of that left brain structure that I got from coaching with you, but there was an, and I still can't even put a finger on what it is.

00:19:00.987 --> 00:19:06.146
Maybe you can help, but there was a resonance between you and I, as to the ideas that would come in.

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And I do think it's because we were connected.

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And had an energetic connection, but there was also a direct connection to spirit.

00:19:13.751 --> 00:19:24.902
So when the ideas would drop in and you would suggest for me to do something like perhaps expand my workshops, even though I'd have the resistance, there was a part of me that knew it was what I wanted.

00:19:25.586 --> 00:19:33.606
And so the intuition and the connection that made for that successful journey, I think is something worth speaking of.

00:19:33.626 --> 00:19:46.037
So that was from my perspective was, because if someone's coaching you and they're giving you suggestions and it doesn't resonate and you don't want to do it, that's a totally different feeling to why I think we experienced so much success there was that.

00:19:47.287 --> 00:19:57.487
Encouragement and courage that came from your bigger vision, seeing things that perhaps I didn't believe I could achieve, but it was in alignment with what I wanted to do.

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Does that make sense?

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Yeah.

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Again, the whole intuition and serendipity.

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I mean, you know, uh, spirit or your guides or God or whatever you believe in, doesn't deliver.

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When you operate from a place of intuition.

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and from centered guidance, then you will be put together with the person that can help you.

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Like one of our coaches, and here's just a basic intuition thing that we use every day.

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And again, women are great at this.

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The, um, one of my coaches, so FEMBA has a business coach program.

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And one of our coaches just said, told me that yesterday in, um, in our office hours that, um, she had been sitting next to a woman at networking and the woman turned to her and said that after she spoke, she said that she was going to engage with a male business coach.

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And she said there just was something that didn't, didn't sit and it didn't sit and she didn't know why, because this guy was experienced.

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And I'm sorry, he's fabulous at what he does, but she was just like, it just, I don't know what, what, what it was.

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There was a resistance.

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There was a, there's that, that resistance, right?

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Just something doesn't feel right.

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You can't.

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Put your finger on it.

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You have to work out whether it's coming from fear or whether it's coming from an intuition, which is, that's the biggest question.

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That is the biggest question I get is how do we know the difference?

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Yeah.

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So, well, maybe we can share that.

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Come back to that next.

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So, um, and then she said, she sat down next to this woman and the woman said within 10 minutes, she knew that that was, she was the coach that she wanted and she went on to then engage her So again, it's that.

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It was the same with us right back in the beginning.

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Yeah, there was just a feeling and a knowing.

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Well if you wait.

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So I knew if I said to the universe, look, deliver whoever is supposed to teach me Reiki because I haven't got time to go look and I don't want to.

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Whatever the thing was.

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And so I Obviously it was something that really needed to happen.

00:21:55.527 --> 00:21:58.356
So then Lisa just showed.

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I think along the way, there's been a synergy between us where there's been, um, like, where I think we've both gotten benefit out of not only you as a coach, I'm putting words in your mouth, but, um, from the experience of, of being coached, also we had a channeling experience, which was outside of the coaching arrangement, but, served us as well.

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We didn't know in the very beginning, was it though?

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Was it outside the coaching?

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It was giving Lisa the confidence to step in.

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It wasn't in the, it wasn't, it wasn't essentially part of the coaching program really.

00:22:29.527 --> 00:22:33.727
It was done after hours and it was a No, but again, I would suggest it was on intuitive.

00:22:34.186 --> 00:22:35.557
Oh, it was definitely intuitive guidance.

00:22:35.586 --> 00:22:40.027
And then that led to And on fun we It led to big changes.

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And I think I remember initially it was just like, well, we don't know where we're going with this.

00:22:46.777 --> 00:22:50.136
We had an experience that, I've shared in another video.

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You can go and find where we talk about how you first dropped into channeling your guide Christian.

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And then we decided from that point, well, that was cool.

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That was interesting.

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How about we just do it again?

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Let's just follow the joy, which to me is following that path of intuition.

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We get breadcrumbs from spirit.

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We get insights and ideas that pop in and that when it's in resonance to me, there's a feeling of excitement, a leaning into a fun, even though there may be nervousness about it because perhaps it's a change or it's something we haven't done before.

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There's, there's, Yeah, that familiar fear feeling that we're doing the right thing.

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And then also sometimes you just have to go with curiosity and have the experience and if it's enjoyable, then we'll keep doing it.

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And I think we set out in the beginning with that.

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It was like, well, let's just see how it goes.

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We had no idea how long we'd be doing that.

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We met every week for, I think it was about 12 months from memory.

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And, yeah, it turned out to be.

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Just like you said, initially, we thought it was teaching you how to channel and giving you that experience as well as me developing and getting more confidence.

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But then in the end, it was really, yeah, about, that practice of channeling to be able to, Bring it, you know, into the world, which for you to find the confidence to bring your gift.

00:24:02.102 --> 00:24:03.751
Teach it because you'd already told it to me.

00:24:03.951 --> 00:24:12.501
Yeah, absolutely working out how you could make it the most powerful so, I'd like to leave the listeners with a we haven't oh there was a question too.

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How do you know when it's fear?

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How do you know the difference between?

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Whether it's actually on your path.

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Okay.

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You go first.

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You share what you do.

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For me, I check in with a head, heart and gut.

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So if I'm making a decision, I will obviously go in with what is my thought?

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What do I rationally think about this?

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If it's a choice or a decision, then I'll go with, what is my heart telling me?

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And then I'll go, what's my gut feeling?

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And I'll do like a, just an internal checking with my body.

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Does it feel expansive or, or like a contraction?

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So for me, I feel if.

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If something's not right for me, I'll feel Like I'm pulling away and going in and caving yet when it's something that is right for me, but perhaps I'm just nervous about it or I don't know how to do it, it'll, it'll feel expansive.

00:24:59.055 --> 00:25:09.484
And quite often there's this line that we teeter between of, of feeling afraid of the thing we're supposed to expand into because we've never done it.

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We're always on that kind of sitting on the edge.

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And for me, the most.

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Just rewarding things have come from stepping in and leaning into the fear and doing it anyway and taking the action.

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And to be absolutely honest, sometimes I don't know with clarity until I've had the experience.

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I just, I'm like, I don't know if this is right.

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I don't fully understand whether it's just an idea coming from my head or whether it's intuitive.

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And I think we all kind of want this 100 percent guarantee when we're going to step into a new space that it's going to be right and it's going to be good and it's going to work.

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But the truth is we don't, and we can't get that.

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And even as someone that's been, you know, spiritual teacher and working with it for most of my life, intuition, it doesn't give us a crystal ball on the answers because we're co creating with spirit.

00:25:55.625 --> 00:25:57.335
We haven't had the experience yet.

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So, and a lot of the, probably the biggest lessons and the biggest, insights that I've gotten have come from the biggest challenges.

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You know, and so we wouldn't walk in.

00:26:07.640 --> 00:26:09.599
Yeah, we wouldn't walk into them knowingly.

00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:13.759
I'm like, if I knew that was going to happen, I wouldn't have gone there, but that's like starting a business.

00:26:13.920 --> 00:26:14.509
Oh yeah.

00:26:14.509 --> 00:26:17.279
Who knew that was such a personal journey?

00:26:17.819 --> 00:26:21.660
So many entrepreneurs will say, Oh God, if I'd known what it took, I never would have begun.

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Okay.

00:26:22.369 --> 00:26:32.500
So mine is a little bit, probably more practical because you are so, enveloped and advanced in your feeling, like you can feel.

00:26:32.500 --> 00:26:34.210
Everything processes through my feeling, yeah.

00:26:34.210 --> 00:26:39.769
So you really know your body and you know the different signs and that takes years of practice for some people.

00:26:39.799 --> 00:26:42.319
Some people it's just like this, but others it takes lots of practice.

00:26:42.369 --> 00:26:44.299
One exercise is the body pendulum.

00:26:44.609 --> 00:26:52.000
So that is if you don't know, let's say something simple, like you don't know if you should be working with one person or another person.

00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:57.180
So you write their names down on something and then you hold that thing.

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If your body's leaning forward, like towards it, like a pendulum, then that's hopefully intuitively try to keep in a meditative state without.

00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:11.630
Any knowing that you don't have to take any action at all.

00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:17.619
So that can sometimes help you to feel more authentic in what happens.

00:27:18.089 --> 00:27:24.920
Because if you can blank your mind and just master your state and keep it neutral, then you're going to get a better reading.

00:27:24.930 --> 00:27:29.869
If you have ideas on what you want, you're going to influence that body pendulum, but you just hold it.

00:27:29.950 --> 00:27:38.660
Maybe it's vitamins, you're wondering if you should take these vitamins, you hold it in your hand and if you lean towards it, then it's likely the best intuitive.

00:27:38.670 --> 00:27:42.869
Your body knows a lot and it knows how to communicate with you, the things with you.

00:27:42.869 --> 00:27:49.500
So, but if you're leaning away a bit like Lisa's expansive or retracting, same thing, not a bit like, but same thing.

00:27:50.954 --> 00:27:58.365
If your body is literally leaning away, then it is, it's not for you to try the and then just maybe sit with it for a bit.

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If what I do know, if you keep asking, wanting the answer to be something different.

00:28:05.045 --> 00:28:06.464
It's just going to get confusing.

00:28:06.684 --> 00:28:09.365
I don't know how many times we've picked up like an angel card deck.

00:28:09.375 --> 00:28:17.005
You may have had this experience, you've shuffled it and you put out your card and you go, Oh, not that one and put it back in because it literally is telling you something you don't want to know or you don't want to hear.

00:28:17.005 --> 00:28:23.184
And sometimes that is, it's always the human aspect that gets in the way of the spiritual message, which is usually pure and clear.

00:28:23.184 --> 00:28:27.515
And then it's, it's our resistance or our, yeah, fight against it.

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And the beauty is with spirituality is we have the choice.

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We don't have to do anything.

00:28:31.994 --> 00:28:37.744
I've, my guides have been telling me coffee is not good for my body for years, but I still have coffee every day.

00:28:37.775 --> 00:28:38.434
Cause guess what?

00:28:38.625 --> 00:28:42.714
I choose to override that very clear, intuitive gut.

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And even though my body is having resistance to it now, I have.

00:28:45.779 --> 00:28:55.160
You know, brought it back to one cup a day, but I still have the choice, you know, and, and, but I do suffer the consequences of the actions that I take.

00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:57.349
Sometimes you won't get that absolute proof.

00:28:57.349 --> 00:29:04.609
So the other day, another thing is for some people who can remember their dreams or pay attention to your dreams.

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I get a lot of intuitive guidance through dreams.

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You've got to find your lane and work with it.

00:29:10.026 --> 00:29:17.935
It's all about, like I said, starting an energy healing practice or a meditation practice or, paying attention to have a dream book next to your bed, whatever it is.

00:29:18.395 --> 00:29:20.786
that helps you to get more connected to your intuition.

00:29:20.786 --> 00:29:26.215
A great story for me that just happened the other day was I was dreaming or whatever.

00:29:26.276 --> 00:29:27.516
Honestly, I can't remember the dream.

00:29:27.516 --> 00:29:31.036
But when I woke up, this word calcium was screamed into my head.

00:29:31.615 --> 00:29:33.736
And that's when your mind's most switched off, right?

00:29:34.256 --> 00:29:35.665
In that first waking.

00:29:36.066 --> 00:29:36.326
Yeah.

00:29:36.375 --> 00:29:41.586
Now, I didn't run out that day and buy calcium for my bones, but it did.

00:29:41.986 --> 00:29:42.945
I thought about it for a moment.

00:29:42.955 --> 00:29:50.026
Well, you know, I'm perimenopausal and it's likely that I don't drink any more.

00:29:50.036 --> 00:29:57.026
So I don't, I was sort of asking what health things did my body need and that just screamed at me.

00:29:57.026 --> 00:29:59.026
So a couple of days later, I went and bought.

00:29:59.550 --> 00:30:00.881
Calcium supplements.

00:30:01.121 --> 00:30:09.800
Now, am I ever going to get solid proof that that particular decision helped my long term whatever?

00:30:10.851 --> 00:30:18.471
Maybe not, because a number of factors could play into that, but I just have to trust the guidance.

00:30:19.296 --> 00:30:29.215
Isn't it like the million small things that I think being aware and awakened to your intuition just creates, an easier ebb and flow in life.

00:30:29.215 --> 00:30:30.445
That's my personal opinion.

00:30:30.556 --> 00:30:42.346
We can be totally logical and we can just operate out of, what we know and almost there's a controlling element to life when we live that way versus spirituality is, the right brain, which is creative and.

00:30:42.736 --> 00:30:54.346
Impulsive and sometimes, yeah, it's a little messy, but I, I just, cause it's exactly right that I remember having that thought once, like when I get an intuitive thought of just turn right or take a different way.

00:30:54.746 --> 00:31:06.240
And I now, Act on it, especially when there's no reason not to, like when it's like, well, I can go left or right, it doesn't, it's not going to change my journey that much to just trust that, that impulse.

00:31:06.711 --> 00:31:18.171
And then quite often, I don't even question why or where, but we don't know what we saved ourselves from because we took that instinct and went with it rather than, you know, the car accident we may have saved ourselves from.

00:31:18.361 --> 00:31:22.500
There's, you know, you'll get sometimes get that, that instant gratification, which is the perfect.

00:31:22.796 --> 00:31:23.536
Parking spot.

00:31:23.695 --> 00:31:26.596
Or the places actually.

00:31:26.935 --> 00:31:41.076
Not where you thought it was, it's where your spirit told you it was, or your intuition told you it was, or whatever, your guidance, your guidance told you it was, and I think life gets really interesting when you start to move out of just that responsive, kind of, when it just lands.

00:31:41.371 --> 00:31:53.760
Intuitively versus co creating more opportunities to be intuitive, to set aside time to ask and directly connect with intuition with your questions, asking for that internal guidance.

00:31:53.770 --> 00:31:56.711
And I think that's a really powerful shift.

00:31:57.000 --> 00:32:03.240
And I know it certainly helped me with business decisions and just getting more clear on what I want before I take action.

00:32:03.691 --> 00:32:07.560
Once you develop that trust in your intuition, it makes life flow a lot more.

00:32:07.560 --> 00:32:12.260
I mean, I was really stuck in what I was supposed to be pricing some programs for.

00:32:12.310 --> 00:32:14.711
Just super stuck, had no idea.

00:32:14.740 --> 00:32:16.601
We were, there were new programs and yes.

00:32:16.840 --> 00:32:20.191
You can go out and you do the research and you test the market and this, that and the other.

00:32:20.391 --> 00:32:20.711
Yeah.

00:32:20.760 --> 00:32:24.480
but we didn't have the testing capability for this particular thing.

00:32:24.490 --> 00:32:38.211
So I literally relied on intuition, which was I pulled out a pendulum and I had prices laid out and I asked yes, no questions to get what those prices might be.

00:32:38.411 --> 00:32:38.540
Yeah.

00:32:38.861 --> 00:32:42.260
And honestly, they were lower than I would ever have.

00:32:42.891 --> 00:32:44.681
picked initially.

00:32:44.770 --> 00:32:45.101
Yeah.

00:32:45.431 --> 00:32:46.931
And, it worked out really well.

00:32:47.101 --> 00:32:47.401
Yeah.

00:32:47.441 --> 00:32:48.560
It worked out really well.

00:32:48.560 --> 00:32:56.141
And then we increased them later, which I know to do in business, you know, when you start this and then whatever.

00:32:56.141 --> 00:33:03.000
So some people might say, but that's just based on your, past what, you know, to be true from the past.

00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:04.941
But sometimes we forget that.

00:33:04.951 --> 00:33:09.780
So our intuition or subconscious or whatever you want to call it will come through.

00:33:10.330 --> 00:33:16.921
And yes, help us from past life experiences, but also help us from information we don't know to be true.

00:33:16.931 --> 00:33:18.641
So there's a bit of a combination in there.

00:33:18.651 --> 00:33:26.171
And then there's that trust I had to trust that even though it said the prices that I wasn't completely happy with.

00:33:26.191 --> 00:33:26.510
Yeah.

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It was, I still took the action and trusted the guidance.

00:33:31.151 --> 00:33:34.070
So there's that sometimes things easier for you.

00:33:34.391 --> 00:33:36.181
You're like, okay, it's an experiment.

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