May 1, 2025

From Trauma to Purpose: A Transformational Journey with Terri Messenger

From Trauma to Purpose: A Transformational Journey with Terri Messenger

What if your deepest struggles held the key to your life purpose? I sit down with transformational coach Terri Messenger to explore her journey from addiction and trauma to a thriving, purpose-led life helping others heal. We dive into how NLP, timeline therapy, and hypnosis can unlock your potential—and why your wounds often hold the wisdom your soul came here to share. ✨ Want to explore your own healing and spiritual growth? Visit https://www.connectedtospirit.com for Reiki courses, channe...

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Season 1

What if your deepest struggles held the key to your life purpose?

I sit down with transformational coach Terri Messenger to explore her journey from addiction and trauma to a thriving, purpose-led life helping others heal.

We dive into how NLP, timeline therapy, and hypnosis can unlock your potential—and why your wounds often hold the wisdom your soul came here to share.

✨ Want to explore your own healing and spiritual growth?
Visit https://www.connectedtospirit.com for Reiki courses, channelling tools, and intuitive development resources.

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🌟 3 Powerful Takeaways:

1️⃣ Healing Unlocks Purpose
Learn how Terri turned pain into purpose—and how you can too.

2️⃣ NLP + Hypnosis = Deep Transformation
Discover how these tools help release trauma and rewire limiting beliefs.

3️⃣ The Power of a Great Coach
Why spiritual guidance matters—and how to find someone who aligns with your soul.

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💌 More from Lisa: www.connectedtospirit.com

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00:00 - Introduction

00:46 - Meet Terri Messenger: A Journey of Transformation

01:51 - The Power of In-Person Connection

02:52 - Terri's Early Life and Struggles

04:46 - Discovering NLP and Hypnosis

08:47 - Life Changes and Personal Growth

17:32 - The Impact of Timeline Therapy

21:49 - Healing Through Hypnosis and NLP

25:00 - Challenges of Moving to the Online Space

25:31 - Navigating the Online Coaching World

25:51 - The Power of a Great Coach

26:32 - Discovering Life Purpose and Genius Zone

28:47 - The Ripple Effect of Healing

32:07 - Master Key Program Overview

37:45 - Lightning Round: Quick Insights

46:14 - Final Thoughts and Future Visions

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There's a quiet evolution happening in the world of wellness.

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One that's not about treatments or techniques, but about tuning in.

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And today's conversation is for the practitioners, the healers, the professionals who are beginning to ask, what if I could bring.

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All of myself to the work that I do./

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Welcome to Connecting to Spirit.

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I am your host, Lisa Brandis, and I'm here to help you unlock your intuition channel with clarity and deep dive into self-discovery, all while navigating the ups and downs of personal and spiritual growth.

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If you're ready to say goodbye to self-doubt, embrace your unique gifts and connect with a supportive community on the same journey, then you're in the right place.

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Whether you're just starting out or you've been walking this path for years, this podcast is here to guide you, support you, and inspire you every step of the way.

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So grab a cozy spot, settle in, and let's dive into some empowering insights together.

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My special guest today is Terry Messenger, a transformational coach whose own journey through self-doubt, addiction and trauma, led her to discover the life-changing power of NLP and hypnosis after radically transforming her own life.

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She.

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Found her true calling, which is guiding others to reprogram their subconscious minds release trauma and unlock their highest potential.

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Terry's mission is especially powerful for those in the wellness field, people who are called to heal others, but sometimes loose sight of their own inner alignment.

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This episode is about how to come home to your intuitive power and lead from a place of purpose.

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Welcome to connecting to Spirit.

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Oh, thank you Lisa.

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It is so good to be here and worth every moment of getting set up for this beautiful podcast.

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We are recording in a professional studio today and beautiful.

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Terry went on the journey with me of figuring this out.

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I kind of wanted to explore the difference between.

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Being in the presence and in the room with somebody.

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I was having a chat with my husband and he was saying that Steven Bartlett, was talking about how when he's in an interview and you can really see and feel the energy of the person, it allows for a more transformative experience.

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And that's what I'm really keen on today.

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So we are gonna deep dive in.

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I couldn't agree more actually.

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You know, there's nothing like, you know, being in person and I feel that we lost that a little bit, uh, through the pandemic.

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Yep.

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So it's, it's actually great to be here in person with you, Lisa.

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We were talking in the car on the way in Terry, about.

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You are probably one of your most pivotal points, on your journey that kind of flipped the, the script for you and took you on a deep dive into your own self-healing and which led to NLP.

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Do you wanna let, let us know a little bit about what that, you know, what that turning point.

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Journey was for you?

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Yeah, sure.

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Well, look, I believe that I always had a gift within me and I was one of those kind of people that grew up feeling a little bit like the black sheep.

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I didn't.

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Excel in school, but I found that any topics that I did, it was either I was at the top of the class or I was right down the bottom.

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I never kind of did anything in between.

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I was quite a troubled teenager, so I kind of led a bit of a rebellious life I really had everything on a plate for me.

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I went to a Catholic school.

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I also contribute a lot.

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Of my public relations skills, Lisa, to the fact that I had gone through eight different schools.

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So I had to adapt very well to kind of change and people.

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But what I did find is that I excelled on stage and you know, a lot of people will say to me, you know, is confidence something?

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Think that we acquire or is it born?

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And I don't believe you are born with confidence.

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Nobody is born with confidence.

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And I felt that by default.

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'cause you as a channeler would understand this.

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Um, you know, you've got Anya and you kind of tap into Anya and you get these downloads and these incredible transmissions, which I've experienced myself, and they're just.

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You can't make this stuff up.

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And so for me it was really about the fact that I had this kind of other part of me that would come out and, it was that.

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Part of me on stage.

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It was that part of me, when I needed to perform.

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And, it was just something that I really adapted to.

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So, after, being sacked from eight jobs in a row, that was a really big pivotal time in my role.

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Is it because you're a true entrepreneur?

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Work works?

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Absolutely.

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I'm unemployable Lisa.

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You don't know what you don't know and really in life, I knew that when I went into the wrong jobs,'cause mom and dad, they put me through all this education.

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So I had a lot of good education and I went to business college, it wasn't for me to be in an administrative role.

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You know, I wanted to be out the front.

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The light needed to shine brighter than that.

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Yeah.

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I wanted to be out the front with people.

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And you know that is where I sang, but I think.

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This comes back to people's purpose.

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Sometimes you don't know there's a missing link in life.

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And you don't know why.

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And quite often that it's because you haven't tapped into your true life purpose.

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True power.

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I was called to find my purpose.

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So it was almost like the universe kept throwing me against the wall.

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And you know, if you believe in God, you know.

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You can't blame God when bad things happen.

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But quite often God will allow things to happen, you know, so that we can kind of carve our character and create that part of us that, you know, we are supposed to become.

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So, you know, all these signs of being in the wrong jobs getting fired.

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My self-esteem obviously.

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Plummeted pluming.

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Yeah, I can imagine.

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Absolutely.

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Terrible.

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And you know, then I remember I accidentally fell over my first job that, where I was in a sales role and what I didn't know is I didn't know, but I excelled in, so on my first day I sold 12 pairs of shoes and I thought that was terrible, just doing what came naturally and didn't have any signs at that young age of 18.

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That, hang on a minute, Terry.

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You know, this is what you are called to do.

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You are called to connect with people.

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Was it about sales?

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I don't think so, Lisa.

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I think it was about connecting with.

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The other person and really getting to know them.

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Like I found that I would know why they were buying the shoes.

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I mean, it was a very, high end shoe shop and it was in the city, and so we were getting like celebrities and people like that that would be coming through and I would find out.

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What are you here for?

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And it was just a natural way about me that I would be able to connect with people.

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And so, and that's the key word there, isn't it?

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Confidence.

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Yeah.

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And being able to connect with people.

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I love what you said about not everyone's born confident.

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You know, it's kind of learn.

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Behavior and develops over time, and I kind of think intuition's a little bit the same.

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We kind of believe that some people are just naturally confident and naturally gifted or naturally intuitive or spiritual or psychic, but in my experience, it's a learned skill if there's that passion and if we follow.

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Passion and what it is that lights us up.

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And it sounds to me like you found that natural ability through sales, through just caring and having a genuine curiosity about people and an interest in their lives.

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And I find that when we naturally bond with someone, and we know that sales is an emotional transaction.

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So when someone feels valued, they feel like you've seen them.

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And then naturally.

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It's how do I help you through sales?

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So then how do I help you?

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And then almost the shoes sell themself, don't they?

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Because they've come with a purpose.

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And mostly what they're gonna do is walk out of that shop and feel like, wow, that lady was amazing.

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And well, you're connecting.

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You're connecting with people and, and, and you know, when I did eventually learn neurolinguistic programming and of course I had to go through life.

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And learn all my other lessons before.

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Yeah, don't skip over that bit.

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So how did, did you got to that?

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So, you know, I, how did you come to learn NLP?

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So I did all the things that normal people did.

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You know, I got married at 24 years of age.

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I had my first baby when I was 26.

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And then.

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You know, I, I was a natural mother in a way.

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So, the instinct of being a mother was quite natural.

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It was like what you see in the animal kingdom, but it wasn't enough.

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I couldn't just be that person that was at, at home with children.

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And then of course, by the time I got to the third one.

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I had probably one of the worst cases, that I can possibly imagine of postnatal depression.

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And, you know, life kind of went down a very dark, slippery slope.

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I managed to get myself up a bit when I found my passion.

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I joined.

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The church and you know, I even did a bachelor of ministries, which I didn't actually carry before.

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Okay.

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So, so just for the timeline of understanding for the listeners, was that when you,'cause I know you married Ian.

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Yes.

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Who's a chiropractor.

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Yeah.

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So, and you both ran a center That's right.

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So if we go back around the same time or was that before?

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Well, that's a good question.

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You must have tapped in.

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You're very intuitive, Lisa, because I met Ian through my studies now I didn't Oh, through the church?

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Uh, through Baptist Theological College.

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Oh.

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So I did not complete, I do need to say I did not complete my Bachelor of Ministries Fell alive and then that was it.

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Nothing else?

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No.

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I met his daughter.

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Oh, and, uh, she was a student.

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And I was a student.

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And then, you know, I mean, my life, nothing seemed to add up.

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And I think when people are, in a position where things are not right, their lives are not on track.

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It almost seems like a messy jigsaw puzzle.

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Like one closed door after another where just nothing seems to go your way.

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Well, it's like, you know, why am I here?

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What am I doing here?

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Nothing.

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Thing kind of made sense.

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Yeah.

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Um, I, I did this because I was hungry for something, so my soul was searching for the purpose that was calling me, and unfortunately, it did end up resulting in a marital breakdown.

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So my marital, uh, breakdown happened after being with my childhood sweetheart.

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So the way that it all happened, everything came to a screeching halt, but when it did happen, nobody could accept it.

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That was around me because we were like the perfect couple.

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We had the children, we had the house, we had what society dance and everything.

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And we had so many friends and we were everyone's barbecue friends and mm-hmm.

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So we had all of these things, but secretly deep down inside, we were sort of two lost souls in a way.

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I feel that we, I lost myself.

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Now.

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We are great friends today and I'm so grateful that, you know, he's the father of my children.

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When I met Ian, it was, he'd lost his wife.

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So his wife passed away, in 2006, and he'd been on a long journey as well.

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So he'd been suffering with her for quite a few years.

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So when that happened, it seemed like everything happened quick.

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Yeah.

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But it didn't happen as quick.

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As what people thought.

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So on the other side of the world, there was my life and then on his side of the world, there was his life.

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And you know, when everything, like when his wife passed away, when my marriage broke down, when we met and we came together, it was like it was meant to be.

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It was almost ordained.

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But for a lot of people it was like, this is too fast, this is too quick.

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But for, so making the difference how, you know, quite often people, yeah.

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We'll have, um, very strong opinions on the choices that we are making.

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It can make it so hard, it's hard enough to make these massive life changes.

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Yeah.

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Let alone having everyone's opinions weighing in on it.

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Yeah.

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And, and that taught me to become very strong.

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Yeah.

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And I think a lot of our adversities, Lisa, do teach us strength.

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And I had a lot of adversities through my childhood, through my teenage years.

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I had a lot of trauma, so there was already so much that was buried.

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And usually what I find is this is very typical.

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Classically my clients were aged between 28 and 58.

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So that seemed to be the age category.

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And the reason it was 28 is because.

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28 seems to be an age when people start to kind of settle down.

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A lot of life things seem to, settle and things start to catch up with them.

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And I think that's when the wheels fell off for me.

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I believe that really the wheels had fallen off around 27, 28.

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So my client,'cause they say our clients are a mirror of us.

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And they might be two steps behind us.

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They're not necessarily 10 years behind us.

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And so, you know, it's the same thing.

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They're searching, I was searching.

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Is that led you to NLP was just that search searching?

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Uh, I get a lot of that with my students, just feeling like something's missing that they don't necessarily know what it is.

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Or I've, I've climbed that acquisition, ladder got the kids, got the house, got the car, got the status.

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Mm.

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But then still it's like, oh, I thought this was meant to bring happiness.

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So we realize then that the happiness doesn't come from it.

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The materialistic, yeah.

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Gains does it that, yeah.

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For me, the transformation comes from that deep connection to our soul and that, and then that allows, like we spoke earlier, of connection.

00:15:12.494 --> 00:15:17.594
You know, to me, when we deeply connect with someone, yeah, things just shift, don't they?

00:15:17.594 --> 00:15:28.104
I think it's when you find your purpose, and this is where I've come to know that it's the genius zone, which is a bit of an evolution for me.

00:15:28.104 --> 00:15:30.953
And the podcast and the master key.

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They're the, they're the two evolutions and you know, so.

00:15:35.644 --> 00:15:43.384
Long story short, I met Ian and he decided that he would put me through neurolinguistic programming.

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Now, I didn't know it was gonna be such a life.

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Changing situation because I felt that when I did my study too.

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You don't realize how much you actually unpack of your own life in part of the training when you are, we, we were both discussing, we both did the Yeah.

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Big long diploma for our clinical hypnotherapy.

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Yes.

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And it, it, I mean, but that's a beautiful gift, isn't it?

00:16:04.609 --> 00:16:08.119
We think initially we're doing it to be able to serve others and make a difference with others.

00:16:08.119 --> 00:16:10.188
And yet here it is, we start with ourself.

00:16:10.308 --> 00:16:11.058
Exactly.

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Yeah.

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So a week, uh, a week in the life of, if you are.

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Doing one hour of neurolinguistic programming that if with a very good practitioner can be like a hundred years.

00:16:26.323 --> 00:16:27.524
And I'm not even joking.

00:16:27.524 --> 00:16:35.484
And I'll, I'll tell you why, because, there's a lot of modalities, and I won't bore you with all the different modalities, but the, the perceptive shifts.

00:16:35.578 --> 00:16:42.293
So the way that you look at the world, the way you speak to people, the way you rapport, and I remember thinking.

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I know this stuff.

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Mm-hmm.

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You like this is stuff came naturally to you.

00:16:45.604 --> 00:16:45.894
Yeah.

00:16:45.899 --> 00:16:46.048
Yeah.

00:16:46.048 --> 00:16:52.349
I feel like I had been doing a lot of it, but there's something about conscious competency as well.

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Mm-hmm.

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Like, okay.

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You are more vigilant if you will.

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I think the big turning point though, Lisa was we had a day where we did timeline therapy.

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Oh.

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You start studied that.

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Time line therapy is like nothing on this earth.

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Then I've gone on to do a lot of quantum physics.

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Me too.

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Which such similar, a lot of the super conscious and the, you know, with the mixture of my diploma with hypnosis and the spiritual gift I, I, I guess as well.

00:17:23.479 --> 00:17:29.578
So when I did the timeline for me personally, you, you had to.

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You know, discover that time was of a, you know, every single person has a different timeline.

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And it was a matter of discovering, well, how do you do your past?

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How do you do your future?

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How do you do your present?

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And quite often people have got their past in front of them.

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Hence why they can't move forward, So you know, when I learned that you had to really subconsciously organize and you could reorganize time and then map out.

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What were the three significant emotional, traumatic events?

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And mine happened to be obviously the one where, you know, my marriage had broken down.

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So you look at the most recent one.

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So that recent one and, and the darkness and everything that was going on for me personally, that had no reflection on anyone else.

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It was just my own journey.

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So there was that element.

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And there was then the 16-year-old.

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So there was a significant time going back at 16 where I had a trauma.

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And then of course, the first one, so the first one was around the age of eight.

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All of these three, even though there was a lot of others in between, what happens is you are utilizing it like weightbearing walls.

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So if you've got a house with structure and you pull away the main weightbearing walls, what happens to the roof?

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Yeah, it collapses.

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So in the same way, what we are doing is we are going, right, we are, we are bringing that one.

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When we're gonna knock that one over, we're gonna go back to the 8-year-old child.

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We're gonna knock that one over.

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We're gonna go to the, the other one in the middle, which happened to be for me, 16.

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We're gonna knock that one over.

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But in doing that, you, you're sort of taking yourself back in time and you are learning.

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And this is the big element, like the learning position.

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And you know, when I did that, it took around about 20 minutes and my life absolutely shifted and changed radical change so dramatically, and I didn't expect it.

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Mm, I did not expect.

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So well, life changing.

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Yeah.

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And I'm very much, well, in the Christian world, when I was doing, you know, when I was at church and I was doing all those sorts of things, I was really well known as like an evangelist.

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So I'm very, I've got that evangelist spirit.

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Yeah.

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Whereas if I come across something good, I don't hide it, I share it with the world.

00:20:12.433 --> 00:20:15.763
So of course we, you know, set up clinic Ian, it.

00:20:15.848 --> 00:20:18.909
Been a chiropractor for, you know, some 30 years.

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However, we reestablished a clinic together.

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And he brought a lot of his clients because being so incredible at what he did.

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And, you know, I had a captive audience.

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So, you know, I built a very successful business very quickly.

00:20:37.439 --> 00:20:37.499
Yeah.

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So that was, my starting and when people would come in.

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Their lives would change so dramatically.

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So I was healing detectives with the most traumatic, what they'd witnessed.

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Oh, the power of hypnosis for unlocking trauma.

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Yeah.

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And just rewiring the brain so that we can release the emotion to the pain.

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Exactly.

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And then be able to accept it.

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'cause we can't change it.

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It's happened.

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But really just find a place of.

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Acceptance and awareness of what it is to be able to move through.

00:21:07.499 --> 00:21:11.950
It does create really big transformational breakthroughs for people, doesn't it?

00:21:11.954 --> 00:21:12.909
Yeah, it really does.

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And then, I was shifting war Vets, now that's a big one.

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So, and they never came in to say, I need to be healed from my.

00:21:20.519 --> 00:21:22.648
War experience, you know?

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Mm-hmm.

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So usually it was they had an addiction.

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In this case a man coping mechanism had smoked two packs of cigarettes every single day.

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Mm-hmm.

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And then I heard a whisper of him being in the war in Croatia.

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Mm-hmm.

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And I said, we need to deal with that.

00:21:38.598 --> 00:21:39.348
Oh, no, no, no.

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But they don't like to talk about it.

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No.

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Very, very private.

00:21:42.798 --> 00:21:43.398
Yeah.

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Especially with their emotions.

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Well, they're just locked into it.

00:21:46.638 --> 00:21:46.848
Yep.

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So.

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We unlock that and that set him free.

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And of course, that's where it makes the addiction.

00:21:54.784 --> 00:21:58.324
It makes the transformation more real.

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Yeah.

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More strong, more rock solid.

00:22:00.634 --> 00:22:08.604
So they're not just, cutting something off at a, sort of like you're pulling off the plant, then it's the weed is regrowing or whatever.

00:22:08.993 --> 00:22:10.929
You are literally going deep.

00:22:11.558 --> 00:22:17.078
Underneath the system, you're pulling that out and you're extracting it, it at the core.

00:22:17.078 --> 00:22:17.828
Yeah, exactly.

00:22:17.828 --> 00:22:28.749
I found when I was taught hypnosis, we were, we were taught that sometimes some therapies just turn off a dripping tap, whereas with hypno, you know, with, or kind of catch the water and empty the cup.

00:22:28.749 --> 00:22:29.048
Sorry.

00:22:29.048 --> 00:22:31.269
If you've got a dripping tap, you've got the water.

00:22:31.794 --> 00:22:33.233
You're just emptying the cup.

00:22:33.574 --> 00:22:35.673
But with hypnotherapy, we turn the tap off.

00:22:35.673 --> 00:22:39.243
So it really does allow us to make those internal changes.

00:22:39.304 --> 00:22:43.354
And addiction is so, they're moving away from pain or towards pleasure, you know?

00:22:43.354 --> 00:22:49.673
So quite often when we look at an understanding of addiction and ultimately these people just need to be loved and supported.

00:22:49.673 --> 00:22:53.423
And yet from a cultural perspective, it's like they get kicked to the curb, really?

00:22:53.634 --> 00:22:54.173
Mm.

00:22:54.173 --> 00:22:56.213
And kind of judged a lot in society.

00:22:56.213 --> 00:22:58.824
So I think, I think it's a cry for help, isn't it?

00:22:58.824 --> 00:23:08.634
Well, well, people are attracting also back in the same patterns, and what I've discovered is that we keep attracting the same.

00:23:08.834 --> 00:23:13.663
Patterns, the emotions, the all of the elements until we learn.

00:23:13.663 --> 00:23:13.693
Mm.

00:23:14.054 --> 00:23:16.663
So we've really gotta have that coming circling back.

00:23:16.723 --> 00:23:17.384
Yeah.

00:23:17.388 --> 00:23:17.398
Yeah.

00:23:17.503 --> 00:23:27.824
And it's like the universe saying, well, you wouldn't put a 17-year-old, uh, you know, teenager in a car and let them drive if they've never learned.

00:23:28.094 --> 00:23:29.894
They've got to learn first.

00:23:29.894 --> 00:23:36.374
And the moment they learn, that person that's helping them can jump out of the car, they can, you know, redo it.

00:23:36.374 --> 00:23:37.544
That's my metaphor.

00:23:37.544 --> 00:23:37.993
And.

00:23:38.338 --> 00:23:40.558
That's exactly how it is in life.

00:23:40.558 --> 00:23:42.419
If we don't, that's really empowering, isn't it?

00:23:42.419 --> 00:23:42.479
Yeah.

00:23:42.538 --> 00:23:44.848
When we do, when, when we give them the skills.

00:23:45.088 --> 00:23:45.118
Mm.

00:23:45.449 --> 00:23:51.118
And then we help them, it's almost walking with them through those dark patches, knowing that they're supported.

00:23:51.479 --> 00:23:54.898
That they're nurtured and ultimately in that non-judgmental space, isn't it?

00:23:54.898 --> 00:23:54.900
Yes.

00:23:54.900 --> 00:23:59.999
And we don't judge because we've been through our own experiences, and I think that's what makes for a huge.

00:24:00.459 --> 00:24:01.028
Powerful.

00:24:01.219 --> 00:24:02.689
Definitely supportive transfer.

00:24:03.469 --> 00:24:16.368
And so when people can go back, say on their timeline, and NLP has so many powerful modalities, fast phobia cures that it has trauma, stress releases.

00:24:16.368 --> 00:24:22.519
So I was kind of bringing these all together and releasing people's trauma.

00:24:22.614 --> 00:24:23.034
Mm-hmm.

00:24:23.114 --> 00:24:23.314
And.

00:24:23.618 --> 00:24:32.709
What I found is when I entered into the online space in 2017, that was a bit of a rude shock because mm-hmm.

00:24:32.979 --> 00:24:33.999
We were talking about that earlier.

00:24:33.999 --> 00:24:42.429
We both literally took an in-person in, you know, and also teaching workshops to the online digital space, and it's completely different.

00:24:42.429 --> 00:24:43.298
It wasn't as.

00:24:43.669 --> 00:24:45.528
Easy as I'd thought either.

00:24:45.709 --> 00:24:48.019
So it was, yeah, very different.

00:24:48.019 --> 00:24:50.179
I thought, oh, this is gonna be a walk in the piece.

00:24:50.239 --> 00:24:52.578
Especially when you've used to a level of success.

00:24:52.578 --> 00:24:55.398
Like I was the same, you know, we didn't have to do much marketing.

00:24:55.398 --> 00:24:58.848
People were just coming, word of mouth referral was really strong.

00:24:58.898 --> 00:24:59.138
Yeah.

00:24:59.138 --> 00:25:01.628
And then all of a sudden it's a different, it's world.

00:25:01.634 --> 00:25:02.223
It's a whole different world.

00:25:02.229 --> 00:25:03.023
Totally different world.

00:25:03.223 --> 00:25:07.634
But you, you really need to know who your niche is.

00:25:07.993 --> 00:25:14.713
So if you are in the online space, you're not, you know, like the work that, the sort of work that we're doing here.

00:25:15.134 --> 00:25:18.493
You can really, and a great coach can.

00:25:19.263 --> 00:25:24.814
Help anyone, even if it means,'cause I'd helped musicians and I can't play the piano.

00:25:25.173 --> 00:25:25.713
Um mm-hmm.

00:25:25.713 --> 00:25:27.183
I can't sing for nuts.

00:25:27.604 --> 00:25:27.693
Mm-hmm.

00:25:27.699 --> 00:25:34.713
But I would be able to help those musicians because I had the right tools and that's really the sign of a great coach.

00:25:35.044 --> 00:25:43.263
You don't have to necessarily know everything, but you just need to know how to shift.

00:25:44.163 --> 00:25:53.403
A person's trauma, unleash them so that they can rise in their power and their gift is what's within them.

00:25:53.403 --> 00:25:55.864
And that is what can then come out.

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And this is, this was the big magic, uh, gold nugget for me when I entered into the.

00:26:03.068 --> 00:26:07.719
Uh, online space and then thought, oh my gosh, you know, everybody's a confidence coach.

00:26:07.719 --> 00:26:09.159
Everybody's a trauma coach.

00:26:09.159 --> 00:26:11.469
Everybody's, everybody's doing this.

00:26:11.469 --> 00:26:15.128
And so you're sort of swimming with a sea, small fish and a big sharks.

00:26:15.338 --> 00:26:15.489
Yep.

00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:23.828
And you know, a lot of people just sort of grabbed on as well because it was a good, you know, especially through the pandemic and when that happened.

00:26:24.189 --> 00:26:24.818
So.

00:26:25.088 --> 00:26:39.669
Really what happened for me is I had to look at not trauma and the fact that that is my specialty, that is my, you know, superpower of, of releasing and healing and doing all those things.

00:26:40.148 --> 00:26:48.249
What I had to look at is what was happening, what was the evolution after that person healed, and that's what.

00:26:48.683 --> 00:26:52.673
Made me suddenly go back to clinic days and go, well, what did happen?

00:26:53.064 --> 00:26:56.513
Men, you know, businessmen became multi-millionaires.

00:26:56.884 --> 00:27:00.844
Women found their voice and suddenly so powerful.

00:27:00.844 --> 00:27:02.493
There's so many women that struggle with that.

00:27:02.523 --> 00:27:03.423
Exactly.

00:27:03.423 --> 00:27:12.334
So they would suddenly come in and say, you know, and the, the most famous words that I would hear is, Terry, you are never gonna believe this.

00:27:12.513 --> 00:27:12.604
Mm-hmm.

00:27:12.844 --> 00:27:17.284
And the reason that I would hear those words so often.

00:27:17.679 --> 00:27:23.074
Is because what they were about to tell me next never was something they didn't believe.

00:27:23.108 --> 00:27:24.398
They didn't know.

00:27:24.398 --> 00:27:26.792
And they never spoke to me about it.

00:27:26.992 --> 00:27:30.803
And in the end I'd be like, well, try me because I'm getting used to this.

00:27:30.853 --> 00:27:40.452
And for every person it was different because what was happening is it was lifting that glass, you know, ceiling that ceiling off.

00:27:41.083 --> 00:27:49.452
It was allowing them to discover their life purpose, and that's where the genius zone was born.

00:27:49.962 --> 00:27:52.093
Um, turning pain to power.

00:27:52.093 --> 00:27:57.282
That's where purpose, passion, and the master key, because I realized that.

00:27:57.663 --> 00:28:01.232
It doesn't matter who you are, what you wanna strive for.

00:28:01.472 --> 00:28:10.472
What I discovered in clinic after working with, I think when I'd, by the time we'd sold clinic i'd, I'd actually worked with over 6,000 people.

00:28:10.653 --> 00:28:11.042
Wow.

00:28:11.143 --> 00:28:15.133
It's not just that one person that you help, you know, to.

00:28:15.363 --> 00:28:16.833
Heal and to transform.

00:28:16.833 --> 00:28:19.232
It's when they are the best version of themselves.

00:28:19.232 --> 00:28:32.323
They go back and they're kinder as parents and they're kinder to their family members and their loved ones, and it almost does just create this ripple effect that, you know, starts to build a bit of a movement.

00:28:32.323 --> 00:28:33.133
It really does.

00:28:33.192 --> 00:28:35.442
It really does, because that's what happens.

00:28:35.442 --> 00:28:37.692
And I think people surprise themself.

00:28:37.722 --> 00:28:38.232
Mm.

00:28:38.262 --> 00:28:38.502
With.

00:28:38.528 --> 00:28:39.637
That ripple effect.

00:28:39.667 --> 00:28:52.877
Yeah, because, you know, I mean, I know we need counselors, we need psychologists, and you know, totally, God only knows that, the work we do though is more, it's faster, it's more outcome orientated.

00:28:53.238 --> 00:28:56.508
So that means that we're, you know, pulling out.

00:28:57.032 --> 00:29:04.323
That deep rooted system that's holding them back so that they can go through it, thrive so they can.

00:29:04.413 --> 00:29:17.462
And so when you get it, when you get it from the root, when you can go back and really know where that started, and sometimes it goes beyond what they know, it can go back ancestral into, you know, like.

00:29:17.468 --> 00:29:22.837
Past generations, and some people call it past lives, it just depends on your beliefs and everything.

00:29:22.988 --> 00:29:23.077
Mm-hmm.

00:29:23.317 --> 00:29:36.998
But you know, we can go back 10 generations of time and discover that they were carrying a burden from their great-great-great, great, great grandmother or grandfather, and that needed to actually be dealt with.

00:29:36.998 --> 00:29:54.458
So at that level, when it's released, which is what I'd done for my own life, that's when people stood into their true calling, who they were, what they were born to be, who and what they were here to do on this planet.

00:29:54.458 --> 00:30:06.127
Because, you know, that's my mission to help as many people to find their mission because I know that at the end of the day, happiness is kind of almost very superficial.

00:30:06.458 --> 00:30:10.508
You know, you can say, oh, I'm happy today because of this, this, this, and this, but.

00:30:10.732 --> 00:30:21.682
You know, finding your sole purpose is a very deep, inner core element of joy that is so fulfilling.

00:30:21.923 --> 00:30:23.333
No one can take that away.

00:30:23.512 --> 00:30:23.873
Mm.

00:30:24.053 --> 00:30:27.532
And it's, it comes, it does come from a really grounded place, doesn't it?

00:30:27.893 --> 00:30:28.282
Mm.

00:30:28.313 --> 00:30:34.343
You know, when, when I loved Oprah once termed the coin, ecstatic joy, and I'm like, that's it.

00:30:34.403 --> 00:30:39.347
It's like a, it encompasses a peaceful feeling, but there's also energy behind it.

00:30:39.778 --> 00:30:43.127
And you know, it is at the core foundation is love, isn't it?

00:30:43.127 --> 00:30:49.877
When we can absolutely express ourself, when we can make great connections, and when we can also empower others.

00:30:50.238 --> 00:30:54.468
And you know, I think we're both recognizing at this stage of our life, it's not about us anymore.

00:30:54.468 --> 00:30:55.428
It's about the movement.

00:30:55.428 --> 00:31:00.107
It's about seeing people thrive and seeing people awaken to their divine potential.

00:31:00.107 --> 00:31:02.478
And then being able to have the confidence to live it.

00:31:02.478 --> 00:31:05.718
And sometimes that confidence in my experience has been courage.

00:31:06.048 --> 00:31:12.317
You know, courage to step out of what perhaps society is deemed as the norm and, follow your own path.

00:31:12.317 --> 00:31:21.877
And sometimes that means creating a new one, and living on that kind of edge where you are moving into new foreign places and, really finding.

00:31:22.682 --> 00:31:24.182
The thing that lights you up.

00:31:24.363 --> 00:31:27.093
And in my experience, it's been an expansion.

00:31:27.272 --> 00:31:28.803
You know, it's an evolution, isn't it?

00:31:28.803 --> 00:31:29.702
We're always changing.

00:31:29.702 --> 00:31:30.512
We're always shifting.

00:31:30.512 --> 00:31:31.143
We're growing.

00:31:31.143 --> 00:31:41.042
And yes, I had the pleasure of joining you on one of your special master classes a couple of nights ago.

00:31:41.042 --> 00:31:47.103
We talked about the master key, and you talked about this amazing, incredible program that you have created too.

00:31:47.103 --> 00:31:49.353
Literally, I think there was a word billionaire.

00:31:50.057 --> 00:31:52.708
Billion dollar energy, billion dollar energy.

00:31:52.863 --> 00:31:58.623
And that really because I'm an energy healer and focus on channeling and, and intuition with professionals as well.

00:31:59.012 --> 00:32:01.563
Um, I really love the idea of just, no.

00:32:01.772 --> 00:32:03.992
To me, that just speaks of no limitations.

00:32:03.992 --> 00:32:06.573
Like it is just when you're empowered.

00:32:06.917 --> 00:32:12.198
When you are following that path, that intuition's just lighting you up, doors open, synchronicity happens.

00:32:12.198 --> 00:32:13.907
The right people come at the right time.

00:32:13.907 --> 00:32:21.413
You know, when we are just, to me that is our natural state, but the person that gets in the way and holds ourself out from the things that we really, yeah.

00:32:21.633 --> 00:32:27.917
You know, that we really know we are passionate about is quite often our own limiting beliefs and Yeah.

00:32:27.948 --> 00:32:32.028
So to get the mind working for us instead of against us.

00:32:32.087 --> 00:32:32.657
Exactly.

00:32:32.657 --> 00:32:33.978
That's when we open that door.

00:32:34.008 --> 00:32:34.428
Yeah.

00:32:34.428 --> 00:32:35.028
And I know you talked about.

00:32:35.452 --> 00:32:39.113
You know, a few MasterKey and, and that's master key one, Lisa.

00:32:39.113 --> 00:32:41.597
So there go see an the connect.

00:32:41.958 --> 00:32:42.198
Yeah.

00:32:42.262 --> 00:32:52.012
So the reason that I, I make that number one is because it doesn't matter how talented, gifted, or successful you are or rich you are without.

00:32:52.657 --> 00:32:54.698
The health of your body.

00:32:54.788 --> 00:32:54.877
Oh yeah.

00:32:55.057 --> 00:32:56.347
You've got nothing.

00:32:56.617 --> 00:32:58.988
So basically, so what basically is the first one?

00:32:58.988 --> 00:33:02.768
Yeah, so master key one is billion dollar energy and health.

00:33:02.768 --> 00:33:03.518
Ageless mind.

00:33:03.518 --> 00:33:04.268
Timeless body.

00:33:04.597 --> 00:33:14.887
I mean, when I became a clinical hypnotherapist, that was sort of what I became known for as a hypnotherapist, like helping people with their body.

00:33:15.268 --> 00:33:23.038
Getting their body into that, you know, that, that form that they wanted, you know, dropping excess kilos.

00:33:23.397 --> 00:33:31.528
A lot of people would come in if they had, you know, even things like, you know, Lyme disease or they had a lot of autoimmunity.

00:33:32.002 --> 00:33:38.992
Um, because what we are finding is that it all comes from the manifestation of emotions.

00:33:39.022 --> 00:33:39.502
Absolutely.

00:33:39.502 --> 00:33:41.992
And there is the correl stored in the body.

00:33:41.992 --> 00:33:42.053
Yeah.

00:33:42.083 --> 00:33:46.583
So when we release that, that is when we rise up.

00:33:46.583 --> 00:33:48.113
So that's master key one.

00:33:48.113 --> 00:33:51.623
Two is recoding the relationships.

00:33:51.682 --> 00:33:54.772
And that's really because everything's about relationships, as you know.

00:33:54.823 --> 00:34:00.792
I mean, we were born into families or guardians, but there's always people, but the people around us.

00:34:01.313 --> 00:34:04.403
Actually help form our beliefs and our values.

00:34:04.643 --> 00:34:11.693
So a, you know, all of us have those stories that we tell ourself that we're not good enough.

00:34:11.932 --> 00:34:12.023
Mm-hmm.

00:34:12.262 --> 00:34:17.992
And we have patterns with people and we have good ones, and we have not so good ones and we have terrible ones.

00:34:18.052 --> 00:34:23.873
And so it's really about being able to recode and rebirth.

00:34:24.222 --> 00:34:26.563
So that we're not carrying the same affliction.

00:34:26.563 --> 00:34:29.833
We're not, we are not attracting the same people.

00:34:29.833 --> 00:34:31.603
And I mean, I'm still doing the same thing.

00:34:31.603 --> 00:34:36.822
I mean, we always, I believe we are always gonna have to work on ourself.

00:34:36.882 --> 00:34:43.813
And then number three, which is very popular, especially in the coaching space, is prosperity codes.

00:34:44.172 --> 00:34:50.503
And this is where abundance, yes, this is where it comes from.

00:34:51.472 --> 00:34:56.722
The way you see yourself, your self-worth, your self, love your frequency.

00:34:57.052 --> 00:35:07.552
So quite often, and I think this happens in the coaching space, sometimes when you're passionate and you're giving like yourself, you almost feel guilty.

00:35:07.887 --> 00:35:09.867
To be overcharging.

00:35:09.958 --> 00:35:13.498
And then there's people out there that go for broken, they're ruthless.

00:35:14.458 --> 00:35:18.867
Um, but, you know, needless to say, but the, like that entitlement.

00:35:18.867 --> 00:35:31.737
But I feel that when we have a really rock solid value of our own self-worth, our self-love, and our self-empowerment and confidence, the frequency of money and.

00:35:31.947 --> 00:35:49.228
You know how that becomes more apparent in prosperity supports that if you go really deep into the prosperity codes, it comes into masculine and feminine, which you would know about the masculine and feminine energy and how that works in the coding of the body.

00:35:49.527 --> 00:35:52.197
And then last of all, four is.

00:35:52.378 --> 00:35:53.728
The genius zone.

00:35:54.117 --> 00:36:04.257
So you've done a lot of healing and like I have noticed with people, you heal and then you find that you turn your pain into your power.

00:36:04.257 --> 00:36:05.427
That's your genius zone.

00:36:05.427 --> 00:36:06.358
That's where your message.

00:36:06.358 --> 00:36:06.418
Yeah.

00:36:06.447 --> 00:36:09.297
And uh, and finally five is your legacy.

00:36:09.297 --> 00:36:17.547
You know what legacy now are we gonna live for a lot of people that may be not coaches, healers and leaders, their legacy may be that.

00:36:18.172 --> 00:36:25.643
They went back, they healed something that had been going down the family line for generations and it, the buck stopped it.

00:36:25.643 --> 00:36:26.242
Stop with them.

00:36:26.333 --> 00:36:26.813
Yeah.

00:36:26.873 --> 00:36:27.202
Beautiful.

00:36:27.202 --> 00:36:28.282
And that's a legacy.

00:36:28.733 --> 00:36:33.112
And for others we're, you know, teaching and how do I share now helping Yeah.

00:36:33.143 --> 00:36:36.382
What I've form and market that message.

00:36:36.387 --> 00:36:36.657
Mm-hmm.

00:36:36.893 --> 00:36:45.652
And make it very authentic and very real and very part of their own DNA'cause a lot of coaches and healers are so good at what.

00:36:45.663 --> 00:36:48.333
They do, but they are struggling.

00:36:48.422 --> 00:36:48.512
Mm-hmm.

00:36:48.782 --> 00:36:51.632
Getting traction in the online space as you know.

00:36:51.782 --> 00:36:52.083
Yeah.

00:36:52.083 --> 00:36:56.012
So it's about when we all come together, we can all thrive and support one another.

00:36:56.012 --> 00:36:56.463
Isn't it?

00:36:56.463 --> 00:37:00.713
So there's something about contributing together, creates, more energy.

00:37:01.242 --> 00:37:01.782
Alright.

00:37:01.782 --> 00:37:04.722
We're nearly coming to the end of this beautiful conversation.

00:37:04.722 --> 00:37:05.143
Terry.

00:37:05.143 --> 00:37:08.983
Thank you so much for everything that you've unpacked for our listener.

00:37:09.313 --> 00:37:17.443
So I've got a quick lightning round that I want to fire at you, so we will see how quickly we can get through these six questions.

00:37:17.443 --> 00:37:19.572
So I just want your short answer.

00:37:19.603 --> 00:37:20.353
You ready for it?

00:37:20.353 --> 00:37:21.463
And she doesn't know these questions.

00:37:21.467 --> 00:37:21.748
Go, go, go.

00:37:22.302 --> 00:37:23.233
So let's go.

00:37:23.623 --> 00:37:30.882
What's one daily ritual you personally use to reconnect with your intuition, especially on those chaotic or off days?

00:37:31.282 --> 00:37:31.943
Grounding.

00:37:32.333 --> 00:37:34.132
So yeah, grounding.

00:37:34.132 --> 00:37:34.222
Yep.

00:37:34.273 --> 00:37:39.972
So how can a wellness practitioner tell the difference between fear and in an intuitive?

00:37:40.728 --> 00:37:41.358
Insight.

00:37:42.108 --> 00:37:42.527
Okay.

00:37:42.527 --> 00:37:49.697
So fear is really something that comes from a past experience.

00:37:49.728 --> 00:38:01.007
Where the intuition and the spiritual element is more about, I get this feeling that this is not right and I need to listen to this and it might not make logical sense, but I into that track.

00:38:01.038 --> 00:38:02.958
Yeah, I might fall into that trap, Lisa.

00:38:02.958 --> 00:38:03.527
So we all do.

00:38:03.527 --> 00:38:03.588
Yeah.

00:38:03.708 --> 00:38:08.027
And it might not make logical sense, but there's just a re there's just something we know, but we don't know why.

00:38:08.057 --> 00:38:08.358
Yeah.

00:38:08.387 --> 00:38:08.927
Beautiful.

00:38:09.358 --> 00:38:14.338
What's the most surprising thing your intuition ever told you that turned out to be right?

00:38:15.478 --> 00:38:15.657
Ooh.

00:38:16.197 --> 00:38:16.858
Okay.

00:38:16.858 --> 00:38:23.697
So I believe it was probably about becoming a practitioner.

00:38:23.887 --> 00:38:27.188
because I never ever went into NLP to do that.

00:38:27.188 --> 00:38:28.282
That intention, it was self healing.

00:38:28.282 --> 00:38:29.648
That was not my intention.

00:38:29.827 --> 00:38:30.068
Beautiful.

00:38:30.068 --> 00:38:40.418
But there was something deep, deep inside of me from even when I was a child that saw what I'm doing today, and I have the same thing.

00:38:40.487 --> 00:38:42.708
Isn't it funny when there was a part of me.

00:38:43.277 --> 00:38:52.887
And it wasn't from an ego place, but there was a part of me that knew I was here to do something special and that, and it was just like, there was this knowing that I'd been put in here for a reason.

00:38:52.918 --> 00:38:53.307
Yeah.

00:38:53.307 --> 00:38:55.108
And some part of me had to awaken.

00:38:55.168 --> 00:38:56.907
I do just wanna say one more thing though.

00:38:56.907 --> 00:38:57.148
Go for it.

00:38:57.358 --> 00:39:06.898
Um, one of my children that had lived a very troubled life as a teenager and became very, very ill with anorexia nervosa.

00:39:06.898 --> 00:39:06.927
Oh.

00:39:07.498 --> 00:39:09.327
Uh, and we nearly lost her.

00:39:09.722 --> 00:39:16.563
Um, I knew she was gonna be okay and I knew right from when she was going through the thick of her troubles.

00:39:16.862 --> 00:39:21.813
And I would actually tell her and remind her, you're gonna be okay.

00:39:21.813 --> 00:39:22.802
You are gonna be okay.

00:39:23.282 --> 00:39:25.623
And I feel, yeah, and I feel that.

00:39:25.632 --> 00:39:34.063
That, um, belief that I had had was an intuitive, was an intuition that I had, but it was definitely a great thing to have imparted.

00:39:34.362 --> 00:39:35.353
Oh, definitely.

00:39:35.413 --> 00:39:39.492
That would've massively made a difference in her life for sure.

00:39:39.492 --> 00:39:40.393
And she's okay now?

00:39:40.483 --> 00:39:40.842
Yes.

00:39:40.842 --> 00:39:42.163
She's amazing.

00:39:42.222 --> 00:39:42.672
That's beautiful.

00:39:42.672 --> 00:39:44.202
Absolutely amazing because I've Yeah.

00:39:44.202 --> 00:39:47.532
Mother and great with a lot that I've struggled with, um, with that as well.

00:39:47.862 --> 00:39:53.952
So, in your view, what's more dangerous for a practitioner overthinking or ignoring their inner knowing?

00:39:54.152 --> 00:39:56.222
Gosh, they're both are shocking.

00:39:56.583 --> 00:39:57.123
They're, aren't they?

00:39:57.123 --> 00:39:58.413
Oh, dead heat.

00:39:58.802 --> 00:40:00.003
Um, not one.

00:40:00.003 --> 00:40:00.362
Yeah.

00:40:00.393 --> 00:40:02.972
Overthinking or ignoring.

00:40:02.972 --> 00:40:12.452
Well, look, if you ignore your instincts or your, you know, those little downloads you're getting, then it's gonna get passed on to somebody else.

00:40:12.452 --> 00:40:22.293
So you have to ask yourself the question, if you receive a download and you ignore it, and then someone else is doing it.

00:40:22.353 --> 00:40:23.672
The next month.

00:40:23.822 --> 00:40:23.913
Mm-hmm.

00:40:24.152 --> 00:40:35.132
How are you going to feel as opposed to if you just keep overthinking everything and you're walking on that treadmill and you're overwhelming, so it really will vary person.

00:40:35.132 --> 00:40:35.518
It's the pattern person.

00:40:35.518 --> 00:40:36.873
Person holds people back, isn't it?

00:40:36.873 --> 00:40:37.172
Yeah.

00:40:37.233 --> 00:40:37.503
Yeah.

00:40:37.503 --> 00:40:37.862
I like.

00:40:37.878 --> 00:40:40.338
Progress over perfection, which is why we are here today.

00:40:40.338 --> 00:40:40.637
Right?

00:40:40.637 --> 00:40:44.268
It's that exact thing that says, let's take action, even though we don't really know what we're doing.

00:40:44.657 --> 00:40:46.907
It's just so that, that is a great question, Lisa.

00:40:46.907 --> 00:40:47.237
Yeah.

00:40:47.268 --> 00:40:51.288
But I feel like it definitely will come down to that individual person.

00:40:51.347 --> 00:40:51.648
Yeah.

00:40:51.827 --> 00:40:52.068
You know?

00:40:52.068 --> 00:40:52.967
But they're both pretty.

00:40:53.177 --> 00:40:54.858
They're both pretty disarming huge.

00:40:54.887 --> 00:41:02.688
So if someone feels disconnected from their intuition, what's the first small step they can take to rebuild that trust?

00:41:03.367 --> 00:41:05.318
Trust or intuition?

00:41:05.367 --> 00:41:05.788
Trust.

00:41:05.788 --> 00:41:08.487
So if they felt so, they feel disconnected from their intuition.

00:41:08.487 --> 00:41:15.867
So quite often, a lot of practitioners I work with in the wellness field, chiropractors, doctors, they're very left brain analytical and logical.

00:41:15.867 --> 00:41:19.378
'cause that's where most of their, um, workers come from, right?

00:41:19.378 --> 00:41:19.617
Yeah.

00:41:19.797 --> 00:41:21.507
So disconnected from.

00:41:21.777 --> 00:41:22.708
Their intuition.

00:41:22.708 --> 00:41:26.547
So what's the first step that they can take to rebuild that trust?

00:41:26.742 --> 00:41:28.768
Trust in their inner, the knowing, trust in their intuition.

00:41:28.768 --> 00:41:35.998
So it comes down to, for, there was going to be a couple of answers, but for that particular, word trust.

00:41:36.027 --> 00:41:36.117
Yep.

00:41:36.507 --> 00:41:44.338
And that question, it would come back to what we teach in neurolinguistic programming about clean language.

00:41:44.697 --> 00:41:50.487
So to get a piece of paper and what is it that's actually happening here?

00:41:50.748 --> 00:41:53.237
What is it that I am feeling?

00:41:53.657 --> 00:41:55.757
Where is this coming from?

00:41:56.327 --> 00:41:57.708
What is the purpose?

00:41:57.768 --> 00:42:02.418
Ask yourself all those what, where and when.

00:42:02.447 --> 00:42:06.197
Questions, if it was about, and then you seek the truth.

00:42:06.197 --> 00:42:11.867
You can identify what's coming from those beliefs or from others, or is this actually true?

00:42:12.257 --> 00:42:13.248
Exactly.

00:42:13.577 --> 00:42:14.657
You know, like, this is true for me.

00:42:14.657 --> 00:42:16.512
I remember someone saying, you know.

00:42:17.538 --> 00:42:19.128
Oh, you seem really stressed out today.

00:42:19.128 --> 00:42:25.367
And then I'm like, oh, you know, you can almost take on that other person's perspective when quite often we are mirrors for each other.

00:42:25.367 --> 00:42:25.608
Right?

00:42:25.608 --> 00:42:25.668
Yeah.

00:42:25.668 --> 00:42:26.927
And then it's like, is that true?

00:42:27.438 --> 00:42:28.307
Am I stressed today?

00:42:28.307 --> 00:42:33.557
No, actually I feel quite Well that's a good point actually, Lisa, that's a very good trust.

00:42:33.557 --> 00:42:34.788
That's a very good point.

00:42:34.788 --> 00:42:40.427
Because what is it that that are, that are about myself that I do not trust?

00:42:40.492 --> 00:42:40.583
And.

00:42:40.583 --> 00:42:41.922
Where is that?

00:42:41.922 --> 00:42:44.112
And it can just be coming from skill.

00:42:44.172 --> 00:42:46.902
It's a learned skill that no one's ever told anyone.

00:42:46.932 --> 00:42:47.262
Yeah.

00:42:47.322 --> 00:42:48.583
The power of their emotions.

00:42:48.583 --> 00:42:54.523
Quite often in our society, the emotion has been suppressed shut down, especially with our beautiful men.

00:42:54.552 --> 00:42:54.882
Mm-hmm.

00:42:54.913 --> 00:43:00.913
You know, I've had men come into my healing workshops and they're brave men because they'll be like, you know, 28 women and two men.

00:43:01.492 --> 00:43:10.222
And when they tap into their emotion, and that's what the attunement to reiki does, is it just shifts things and puts them directly in communication with their soul.

00:43:10.222 --> 00:43:10.282
Yeah.

00:43:10.583 --> 00:43:12.322
They feel that soul's love.

00:43:12.382 --> 00:43:26.902
It's like a physical, transformation that they get and they'll literally break down and sob and it's the most beautiful thing to bear witness to, like a man just fully finally opening that floodgate.

00:43:26.902 --> 00:43:27.023
Yeah.

00:43:27.023 --> 00:43:33.083
And what I've seen in, in experience is that the emotions leave quickly.

00:43:33.713 --> 00:43:38.273
Quite often there's more fear around what it's gonna feel like to release a trauma or to reexperience it.

00:43:38.273 --> 00:43:40.793
But quite often it's so empowering.

00:43:40.822 --> 00:43:43.972
It's just a, it's, it's a quick gentle release.

00:43:44.182 --> 00:43:49.302
And then there's a lightness that follows maybe the next day, but maybe sometimes the emotions can be a bit exhausting.

00:43:49.302 --> 00:43:50.052
But yeah.

00:43:50.052 --> 00:43:51.853
And that brings me to lightness.

00:43:51.882 --> 00:43:53.623
To it right when they let go.

00:43:53.652 --> 00:43:54.552
Absolutely.

00:43:54.552 --> 00:44:06.563
I hear what you're saying, especially about like opening up those floodgates, especially for men and seeing that, what you just kind of, reminded me of as well is that.

00:44:06.572 --> 00:44:12.663
Every emotion will have its own higher purpose.

00:44:12.722 --> 00:44:15.572
So what could be the higher purpose?

00:44:15.572 --> 00:44:23.943
'cause our subconscious mind doesn't deliberately give us these terrible, shocking feelings to no deliberately stuff us up.

00:44:24.333 --> 00:44:26.603
It's doing it to protect us.

00:44:26.632 --> 00:44:29.063
So what is it protecting us from?

00:44:29.452 --> 00:44:32.902
And I believe also that if we can.

00:44:33.003 --> 00:44:38.373
Tap into, well, what could I benefit from having this fear?

00:44:38.762 --> 00:44:44.672
And, you know, really understanding where that comes from so that you can release it and let it go.

00:44:44.733 --> 00:44:52.713
And of course, as you know, there are so many modalities where you can even play with it, pulling it outta your body.

00:44:52.992 --> 00:44:59.112
Looking at it, noticing what color it is, what would it be saying if it had a voice, you know?

00:44:59.197 --> 00:45:00.878
What would we prefer it to be?

00:45:00.878 --> 00:45:03.608
Now that's the big$64 million question.

00:45:03.608 --> 00:45:07.248
So if we could turn fear to, perhaps power.

00:45:07.992 --> 00:45:12.288
So that we understand that fear is just false evidence appearing real.

00:45:12.288 --> 00:45:12.702
Appearing real.

00:45:12.822 --> 00:45:13.123
Yeah.

00:45:13.123 --> 00:45:19.003
You know, so if we can change that energy and then switch it, like, what do I need?

00:45:19.003 --> 00:45:20.233
I need to feel trust.

00:45:20.233 --> 00:45:21.853
Well, what do I trust myself in?

00:45:22.322 --> 00:45:26.193
And bringing anchoring in those feelings.

00:45:26.197 --> 00:45:26.367
Mm-hmm.

00:45:26.643 --> 00:45:31.503
And then, and, and changing the coding system and just bringing it back in, into our body.

00:45:31.893 --> 00:45:36.123
And, um, breath work, then breathing, that's the life force.

00:45:36.358 --> 00:45:37.077
Perfect.

00:45:37.557 --> 00:45:46.858
Well, we have, um, there's so much that you've unpacked in this, in this session, so thank you so much Terry, and I'm sure there is so much more wisdom that you could share.

00:45:46.858 --> 00:45:48.777
I will definitely get you back on the podcast.

00:45:48.958 --> 00:45:50.128
Thank you, Lisa, at another date.

00:45:50.367 --> 00:45:55.498
So how can people find out more about your new Master key program?

00:45:55.617 --> 00:45:55.827
Yep.

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What is the best place for them to head?

00:45:57.132 --> 00:46:03.583
So Terry messenger.com or nlp hypnotherapy.com.

00:46:04.032 --> 00:46:14.443
And yeah, hit me up on socials under my name with Terry with an I Messenger and, uh, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, all places.

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We'll drop all that information in the show notes.

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And just before we go, I like to ask people, what's the one question I haven't asked?

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Wow, that would make this, yeah, that would bring out the, yeah.

00:46:30.677 --> 00:46:35.387
Look, I really feel you've covered it so well.

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What could be a question?

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Um, so is there anything, what would I like to what, what, what do I visualize for the future?

00:46:43.818 --> 00:46:45.197
Oh, great question.

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What do you visualize for the future, Terry Messenger?

00:46:47.777 --> 00:46:50.148
Okay, well, miracles.

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Yeah, the Magic of Miracles, if I can just say it like that.

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And every day Miracles, helping tap tap into those supernatural miracles and not just looking for unrealistic, profound things, but the incremental little miracles and being grateful for them.

00:47:07.682 --> 00:47:08.373
Oh yeah.

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Oh yeah.

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You know, it's the, it is quite often the small things we miss the most, isn't it?

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When we lose our loved ones.

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I remember a mother of a, a lady that had lost a child and she said to me, oh, what I wouldn't give just to hear that.

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Back door slamming one more time.

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You know, and, and it's just, isn't it these things that quite often we take for granted.

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And, you know, and I've spoken to, um, many of my students about the power of gratitude and just focusing on sometimes these lives challenges and the things that are the most painful for us to experience.

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And you and I have both certainly been through our dark times.

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It gives, the space for.

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Love to come in and fill that void, doesn't it?

00:47:53.722 --> 00:47:53.793
Yeah.

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And it creates connection with others that is unlike anything else.

00:47:57.918 --> 00:48:02.807
When you can be open and vulnerable and share, and you're absolutely right.

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Relationship in my experience is the most important thing.

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Yeah.

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And we have such a beautiful opportunity to have a rich, diverse life, and if we just seek out to understand each other with compassion and kindness.

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And love the world will be a much better place.

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So I'm so glad you're by my side sweetheart.

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Sharing your love, sharing your light, sharing your wisdom with the world.

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And together we're gonna see a movement of change where people tap into their intuition, trust themselves, and love and care for others.

00:48:34.257 --> 00:48:36.177
So thank you again, Terry.

00:48:36.777 --> 00:48:37.588
Thank you Lisa.